10 Things I Hate About You

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

Lukesed wrote:

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Lev 20:13 (KJV)

That chapter is full of different sexual crimes, some of which are really despicable acts and some of which are laughable. Why you should pick this particular one to hate someone for is beyond me.

In literally five seconds on google I found a page with several interpretations of what verse 13 says and how it is translated from hebrew: http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh3.htm

Now you may come away from this still believing your interpretation, but you simply must admit that there is another side that is at least worth admitting exists.

name me all of the sexual crimes you find laughable...

luke all 14 of those versions on that page just reinforced in my mind that being gay is wrong they all said the same thing... being gay is an abomination.

duh i'm still gonna believe my interpretation because you haven't shown me any dif. enterpretations.

Its interpretations. I'm pretty sure "enterpretation" isnt a word.

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Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

HiddenxEmbers wrote:

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

no you're impossible to talk to because you just blow off everything i say. you just think that everything i say is wrong and whatever they say is right. because as far as i can tell you haven't done anything to argue your point except agree w/ matt and luke...

No actually i have by supporting what other have already said which coincides with what i think, therefore i dont feel the need to be repeatative. But if you insist. People are born gay, and do not choose to be gay, because thats how God made them. Their sexual urges are different than those of someone who is straight, and they cant help that. You would never be with a man, and a gay guy would never be with a woman, because the very thought of it may repulse them just as it would for you to think of yourself being with a guy. If a they had the choice, i'm pretty sure some would like to change the way they are because of the constant criticism which they receive on a daily basis thanks to people like you. Others feel proud of the way they are, and dont need the exceptance of others. But of course, you have to see things the hard way and believe that they can do something about the way they were born. My cousin is happy with her gf, because she makes her feel complete. She makes her feel happy, because she loves her, and she cant help that. You cant help who you fall in love with. Its been said that lesbians are attracted to women for various reasons, one being the gentleness in which other women treat each other as opposed to the touch of a man. Women take into consideration each others feeling, whereas, lesbians feel that they can not get that from a man. I could go on explaining more reasons in which lesbians are attracted to women, but the most important one is that they are definatley born that way and they cant help that.

ok let me ask you (and take this question seriously) if you truely deep down wanted to start liking the same sex RIGHT NOW... could you do it? and the answer should be yes. if you have the will power you can choose to do anything. and you can find those qualities in guys. i bet they were just looking in the wrong place.

well maybe cameron is bisexual because if he sees it to be possible for him to like someone of the same sex, maybe he really does. ever thought of that?

guitarXheroine wrote:

well maybe cameron is bisexual because if he sees it to be possible for him to like someone of the same sex, maybe he really does. ever thought of that?

I think he is just talking. You can pretend to like something, or decide not to act on what you like, but you can't just decide not to like it. I can't make myself start enjoying hannah montana songs, no matter how hard I try. I just find them really annoying. Likewise, I can't stop myself hearing pure genius in Black Lab, even though I know people who think the are mindless pop-rock.

Lukesed wrote:

guitarXheroine wrote:

well maybe cameron is bisexual because if he sees it to be possible for him to like someone of the same sex, maybe he really does. ever thought of that?

I think he is just talking. You can pretend to like something, or decide not to act on what you like, but you can't just decide not to like it. I can't make myself start enjoying hannah montana songs, no matter how hard I try. I just find them really annoying. Likewise, I can't stop myself hearing pure genius in Black Lab, even though I know people who think the are mindless pop-rock.

i agree. i cant make myself enjoy bananas because the smell and taste of them makes me want to gag and i dont think i could force myself to like rod stewert, even if i wanted to. and i dont think i could stop liking chocolate or my chemical romance no matter how hard i could try.

BreakfastClub wrote:

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

BreakfastClub wrote:

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

BreakfastClub wrote:

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

hm and i've seen on tv gays that claim to be christians shouldn't they be able to control their urges just like a christian should.

They obviously don't believe the same way you do, but that doesn't make them wrong. The Bible is totally up to interpretation. What might be wrong to some might not be wrong to others. That's what the basis of Christianity is anyway. Belief.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Lev 20:13 (KJV)

well matt that seems to be interpreted pretty good. but i'm curious... amuse me how would you interpret this? is gay wrong in this verse or totally fine?

o and last i checked i thought this might have been yours and most of the people on the forums Belief too... guess not...

I don't take this verse literally. Quite frankly, I consider it nothing more than an ancient law code. Don't you believe something similar to that? Take this for example: kill an ox that kills a man. You don't take that literally do you? I harldy take any of the Bible literally. Besides, the Bible was written 2,000 years ago by ancient scribes and monks that knew nothing about science. I don't really believe most of the outlandish events that are recorded in the Bible, such as the Flood, for instance. The very idea that a 100 year old man 2,000 years ago could have built a ship large enough to house 2 of every animal and that the ship could have withstanded the worst storm in history sounds absurd. And neither do I take those law codes in Leviticus seriously.

no matt i don't believe this is an ancient law code considering it's also written about in the new testament as well. i'm pretty sure we've got all the oxen under control today so we probably don't have to do that. and hey we put dogs down for attacking children don't we? isn't that kind of the same? well matt you have very little faith... there is a lot of proof there was a flood. why couldn't a man build a ship? he didn't do it by himself he had help. and who said it had to be the worst storm in history? raining for fourty days and nights i don't think it has to rain too hard to flood the planet if it's raining everywhere. do you take the bible seriously at all? are you also implying if these ancient scribes had known about evolution and other beliefs of modern science that they would have believed that rather than what they had written?

I just don't find the idea plausible. I'll be honest with you: I am a man of doubt. I'm not just going to automatically believe everything I hear about the Bible. There actually is some evidence that there might have been a worldwide flood, but I'm not completely convinced that it happened. I'm implying that because they knew nothing about science, they could only interpret things that happened in nature by their religion. The idea that the Red Sea was parted by Moses sounds ridiculous. Maybe it did happen, maybe it didn't, but I haven't seen ENOUGH evidence to back up those claims.

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there are some pics of chariots at the bottom of the red sea believe it or don't believe it what do i care...

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HiddenxEmbers wrote:

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

HiddenxEmbers wrote:

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

no you're impossible to talk to because you just blow off everything i say. you just think that everything i say is wrong and whatever they say is right. because as far as i can tell you haven't done anything to argue your point except agree w/ matt and luke...

No actually i have by supporting what other have already said which coincides with what i think, therefore i dont feel the need to be repeatative. But if you insist. People are born gay, and do not choose to be gay, because thats how God made them. Their sexual urges are different than those of someone who is straight, and they cant help that. You would never be with a man, and a gay guy would never be with a woman, because the very thought of it may repulse them just as it would for you to think of yourself being with a guy. If a they had the choice, i'm pretty sure some would like to change the way they are because of the constant criticism which they receive on a daily basis thanks to people like you. Others feel proud of the way they are, and dont need the exceptance of others. But of course, you have to see things the hard way and believe that they can do something about the way they were born. My cousin is happy with her gf, because she makes her feel complete. She makes her feel happy, because she loves her, and she cant help that. You cant help who you fall in love with. Its been said that lesbians are attracted to women for various reasons, one being the gentleness in which other women treat each other as opposed to the touch of a man. Women take into consideration each others feeling, whereas, lesbians feel that they can not get that from a man. I could go on explaining more reasons in which lesbians are attracted to women, but the most important one is that they are definatley born that way and they cant help that.

ok let me ask you (and take this question seriously) if you truely deep down wanted to start liking the same sex RIGHT NOW... could you do it? and the answer should be yes. if you have the will power you can choose to do anything. and you can find those qualities in guys. i bet they were just looking in the wrong place.

well maybe cameron is bisexual because if he sees it to be possible for him to like someone of the same sex, maybe he really does. ever thought of that?

hmmm maybe i do, but will i ever act on it? no because it's wrong.

Lukesed wrote:

guitarXheroine wrote:

well maybe cameron is bisexual because if he sees it to be possible for him to like someone of the same sex, maybe he really does. ever thought of that?

I think he is just talking. You can pretend to like something, or decide not to act on what you like, but you can't just decide not to like it. I can't make myself start enjoying hannah montana songs, no matter how hard I try. I just find them really annoying. Likewise, I can't stop myself hearing pure genius in Black Lab, even though I know people who think the are mindless pop-rock.

i never said anything about liking to do something, i said you have the choice. you have the choice to eat a banana even though you may not like it. you may listen to hannah montana songs even if you don't like it. someone even said that gays go through tremendous pain just cause they're gay. i don't think they like that but they do choose to go through w/ it...

Lukesed wrote:

guitarXheroine wrote:

well maybe cameron is bisexual because if he sees it to be possible for him to like someone of the same sex, maybe he really does. ever thought of that?

I think he is just talking. You can pretend to like something, or decide not to act on what you like, but you can't just decide not to like it. I can't make myself start enjoying hannah montana songs, no matter how hard I try. I just find them really annoying. Likewise, I can't stop myself hearing pure genius in Black Lab, even though I know people who think the are mindless pop-rock.

i never said anything about liking it, i said you have a choice. you can choose to eat bananas even though you don't like them you can listen to hannah montana too even if you hate her. gays choose to go through tremendous pain apparently to be gay...

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luke you go ahead and believe your 2 interpretations, but i'm a man of numbers so the more the better i'll go w/ my 14 interpretations...

Did you really read the page? I'm starting to doubt that your are being honest here. There are 14 different literal translations then several interpretations of what they might mean and what significance they may have today. It isn't 14 vs. 2, it's 14 then a bunch of different ways of understanding what the 14 really mean.

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i never said anything about liking it, i said you have a choice. you can choose to eat bananas even though you don't like them you can listen to hannah montana too even if you hate her. gays choose to go through tremendous pain apparently to be gay...

I think you are trying not to understand. Gay or straight people don't decide what to like, we agree on that now I guess. A gay person does decide whether or not to actually have a relationship with someone of the same sex. However, they don't decide who they are attracted to. Gay people aren't turned on by people of the opposite sex, just as you aren't turned on by people of the same sex. You can imagine what the problems might be with a gay person trying to have a relationship/marriage with someone the don't love in a romantic or sexual way. I'm not going to get any more explicit than that. If you can't see why that might cause a lot of emotional pain, you are simply incapable of empathy.

To get a bit closer to on topic... the medical examiner has ruled heath ledger's death an accidental overdose of a mix of medicines he had prescriptions for.

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Did you really read the page? I'm starting to doubt that your are being honest here. There are 14 different literal translations then several interpretations of what they might mean and what significance they may have today. It isn't 14 vs. 2, it's 14 then a bunch of different ways of understanding what the 14 really mean.

I think you are trying not to understand. Gay or straight people don't decide what to like, we agree on that now I guess. A gay person does decide whether or not to actually have a relationship with someone of the same sex. However, they don't decide who they are attracted to. Gay people aren't turned on by people of the opposite sex, just as you aren't turned on by people of the same sex. You can imagine what the problems might be with a gay person trying to have a relationship/marriage with someone the don't love in a romantic or sexual way. I'm not going to get any more explicit than that. If you can't see why that might cause a lot of emotional pain, you are simply incapable of empathy.

yeah i read it and i don't remember any other translations including the ones that you are showing me.

and they don't have to like it but they do have a choice to do it no matter how hard the emotional pain they can get through it if they're willing to. because they went through alot of pain to be gay apparently

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yeah i read it and i don't remember any other translations including the ones that you are showing me.

There is this magical new invention, I hear its called scrolling down. And you're still not reading me. There are 14 translations, which don't offer anything as to understanding what the real meaning might be, then five or so different interpretations of what all 14 mean in today's context.

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and they don't have to like it but they do have a choice to do it no matter how hard the emotional pain they can get through it if they're willing to. because they went through alot of pain to be gay apparently

So you admit that being gay (being naturally attracted to someone of the same sex) is generally involuntary, yet you still talk about how much you hate gay people, knowing that it contributes to enormous emotional pain? Is that really who you want to be? Gay people having relationships with one another hurts nobody and doesn't violate anyone's rights. Bigots constantly railing agianst them, however, does only harm.

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guitarXheroine wrote:

HiddenxEmbers wrote:

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

HiddenxEmbers wrote:

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

no you're impossible to talk to because you just blow off everything i say. you just think that everything i say is wrong and whatever they say is right. because as far as i can tell you haven't done anything to argue your point except agree w/ matt and luke...

No actually i have by supporting what other have already said which coincides with what i think, therefore i dont feel the need to be repeatative. But if you insist. People are born gay, and do not choose to be gay, because thats how God made them. Their sexual urges are different than those of someone who is straight, and they cant help that. You would never be with a man, and a gay guy would never be with a woman, because the very thought of it may repulse them just as it would for you to think of yourself being with a guy. If a they had the choice, i'm pretty sure some would like to change the way they are because of the constant criticism which they receive on a daily basis thanks to people like you. Others feel proud of the way they are, and dont need the exceptance of others. But of course, you have to see things the hard way and believe that they can do something about the way they were born. My cousin is happy with her gf, because she makes her feel complete. She makes her feel happy, because she loves her, and she cant help that. You cant help who you fall in love with. Its been said that lesbians are attracted to women for various reasons, one being the gentleness in which other women treat each other as opposed to the touch of a man. Women take into consideration each others feeling, whereas, lesbians feel that they can not get that from a man. I could go on explaining more reasons in which lesbians are attracted to women, but the most important one is that they are definatley born that way and they cant help that.

ok let me ask you (and take this question seriously) if you truely deep down wanted to start liking the same sex RIGHT NOW... could you do it? and the answer should be yes. if you have the will power you can choose to do anything. and you can find those qualities in guys. i bet they were just looking in the wrong place.

well maybe cameron is bisexual because if he sees it to be possible for him to like someone of the same sex, maybe he really does. ever thought of that?

hmmm maybe i do, but will i ever act on it? no because it's wrong.

Ok, so now are you telling us that you really are bi? And yet all this time you've done nothing but bash gays... And if you never act on it, then fine. That's your choice. But as for other people who do wish to act on their urges, that is their choice and you shouldn't interfere because it doesn't affect you at all.

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Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

guitarXheroine wrote:

HiddenxEmbers wrote:

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

HiddenxEmbers wrote:

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

no you're impossible to talk to because you just blow off everything i say. you just think that everything i say is wrong and whatever they say is right. because as far as i can tell you haven't done anything to argue your point except agree w/ matt and luke...

No actually i have by supporting what other have already said which coincides with what i think, therefore i dont feel the need to be repeatative. But if you insist. People are born gay, and do not choose to be gay, because thats how God made them. Their sexual urges are different than those of someone who is straight, and they cant help that. You would never be with a man, and a gay guy would never be with a woman, because the very thought of it may repulse them just as it would for you to think of yourself being with a guy. If a they had the choice, i'm pretty sure some would like to change the way they are because of the constant criticism which they receive on a daily basis thanks to people like you. Others feel proud of the way they are, and dont need the exceptance of others. But of course, you have to see things the hard way and believe that they can do something about the way they were born. My cousin is happy with her gf, because she makes her feel complete. She makes her feel happy, because she loves her, and she cant help that. You cant help who you fall in love with. Its been said that lesbians are attracted to women for various reasons, one being the gentleness in which other women treat each other as opposed to the touch of a man. Women take into consideration each others feeling, whereas, lesbians feel that they can not get that from a man. I could go on explaining more reasons in which lesbians are attracted to women, but the most important one is that they are definatley born that way and they cant help that.

ok let me ask you (and take this question seriously) if you truely deep down wanted to start liking the same sex RIGHT NOW... could you do it? and the answer should be yes. if you have the will power you can choose to do anything. and you can find those qualities in guys. i bet they were just looking in the wrong place.

well maybe cameron is bisexual because if he sees it to be possible for him to like someone of the same sex, maybe he really does. ever thought of that?

hmmm maybe i do, but will i ever act on it? no because it's wrong.

Ok, so now are you telling us that you really are bi? And yet all this time you've done nothing but bash gays... And if you never act on it, then fine. That's your choice. But as for other people who do wish to act on their urges, that is their choice and you shouldn't interfere because it doesn't affect you at all.

i second that!

Lukesed wrote:

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yeah i read it and i don't remember any other translations including the ones that you are showing me.

There is this magical new invention, I hear its called scrolling down. And you're still not reading me. There are 14 translations, which don't offer anything as to understanding what the real meaning might be, then five or so different interpretations of what all 14 mean in today's context.

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and they don't have to like it but they do have a choice to do it no matter how hard the emotional pain they can get through it if they're willing to. because they went through alot of pain to be gay apparently

So you admit that being gay (being naturally attracted to someone of the same sex) is generally involuntary, yet you still talk about how much you hate gay people, knowing that it contributes to enormous emotional pain? Is that really who you want to be? Gay people having relationships with one another hurts nobody and doesn't violate anyone's rights. Bigots constantly railing agianst them, however, does only harm.

no i didn't say that at all it isn't involuntary they have a choice and if you refuse to believe me then so be it. and just because i hate gays doesn't mean i hate the people does it affect the way i think about them yes. and incased you noticed those verses said conservatives believe the 14 verses saying put them to death. and i'm not a liberal saying that everyone should have fair treatment and nothing is wrong morally...

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Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

guitarXheroine wrote:

HiddenxEmbers wrote:

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

HiddenxEmbers wrote:

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

no you're impossible to talk to because you just blow off everything i say. you just think that everything i say is wrong and whatever they say is right. because as far as i can tell you haven't done anything to argue your point except agree w/ matt and luke...

No actually i have by supporting what other have already said which coincides with what i think, therefore i dont feel the need to be repeatative. But if you insist. People are born gay, and do not choose to be gay, because thats how God made them. Their sexual urges are different than those of someone who is straight, and they cant help that. You would never be with a man, and a gay guy would never be with a woman, because the very thought of it may repulse them just as it would for you to think of yourself being with a guy. If a they had the choice, i'm pretty sure some would like to change the way they are because of the constant criticism which they receive on a daily basis thanks to people like you. Others feel proud of the way they are, and dont need the exceptance of others. But of course, you have to see things the hard way and believe that they can do something about the way they were born. My cousin is happy with her gf, because she makes her feel complete. She makes her feel happy, because she loves her, and she cant help that. You cant help who you fall in love with. Its been said that lesbians are attracted to women for various reasons, one being the gentleness in which other women treat each other as opposed to the touch of a man. Women take into consideration each others feeling, whereas, lesbians feel that they can not get that from a man. I could go on explaining more reasons in which lesbians are attracted to women, but the most important one is that they are definatley born that way and they cant help that.

ok let me ask you (and take this question seriously) if you truely deep down wanted to start liking the same sex RIGHT NOW... could you do it? and the answer should be yes. if you have the will power you can choose to do anything. and you can find those qualities in guys. i bet they were just looking in the wrong place.

well maybe cameron is bisexual because if he sees it to be possible for him to like someone of the same sex, maybe he really does. ever thought of that?

hmmm maybe i do, but will i ever act on it? no because it's wrong.

Ok, so now are you telling us that you really are bi? And yet all this time you've done nothing but bash gays... And if you never act on it, then fine. That's your choice. But as for other people who do wish to act on their urges, that is their choice and you shouldn't interfere because it doesn't affect you at all.

wait if i don't act on it then it's my choice... hmmmm i thought i don't have a choice if i was born this way? and why do you keep contradicting yourselves? they don't have a choice and now they do have a choice? how can i argue something w/ someone that just keeps changing their mind on something?

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

wait if i don't act on it then it's my choice... hmmmm i thought i don't have a choice if i was born this way? and why do you keep contradicting yourselves? they don't have a choice and now they do have a choice? how can i argue something w/ someone that just keeps changing their mind on something?

Again I think you're trying not to understand with all of your might and barely succeeding. A gay person is a person who is attracted to the same sex. This is not a choice. However, like straight people, gay people do not obviously have a relationship with everyone they are attracted to. Therefore, it is not a choice to be gay, but it is a choice to either be celibate and never have sex or pretend to be straight and have a straight relationship just to make people not say they hate you.

One more time, okay? It is not a choice to be gay. It is a choice to act on that and have a gay relationship. Very, very, very simple logic here.

alright luke i still believe that they should make the choice to not follow their urges and be straight like god ment it to be. and there is no amount of "proof" to make me think that being gay is ok because it's not...

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

alright luke i still believe that they should make the choice to not follow their urges and be straight like god ment it to be. and there is no amount of "proof" to make me think that being gay is ok because it's not...

Well it is good that you are understanding, I think it is pretentious of you to think that you know for sure what god intended when clearly there is a lot of debate about it. I can understand that you find the idea of homosexuality disgusting on a base level, but you can't just say "it feels wrong for me so it must be wrong for everyone else too".

i didn't say it's wrong for me i said it's wrong in general morally. and i think it's stupid to think that god intended the same sex to be together but hey go ahead and believe what you want. i know i'm not gonna change anyones mind i'm just trying to defend what i believe...

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

i didn't say it's wrong for me i said it's wrong in general morally.

And I'm just tying to figure out why you think it's immoral. People tend to believe something first, then think of reasons to justify it. It takes a lot to get past that. This is why the world has racism and any number of other problems. It seems to me that nearly all bigoted people didn't come to that view logically, and won't stop believing it unless they really start thinking. Because if, for the sake of argument, your only problem with gay people was that god said being gay was a sin, then you would treat gay people like any other sinner. That is, everyone.

the reason i think that it's immoral #1 it says it's wrong in the bible that I read. #2 many people in my family and those which i look up to (example: my pastor or my cousin) and also many people in my school also look down upon gays. i am not saying that all people other than gays are flawless, because i know that we're far from it... but hey at least we admit when we do something wrong that it was wrong. you'll never find a gay that believes that what he is doing is wrong. well obviously we don't treat all sinners the same now do we? do i treat a murderer the same as i treat a gay? no. so how do we decide how to treat each other?

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

the reason i think that it's immoral #1 it says it's wrong in the bible that I read. #2 many people in my family and those which i look up to (example: my pastor or my cousin) and also many people in my school also look down upon gays. i am not saying that all people other than gays are flawless, because i know that we're far from it... but hey at least we admit when we do something wrong that it was wrong. you'll never find a gay that believes that what he is doing is wrong. well obviously we don't treat all sinners the same now do we? do i treat a murderer the same as i treat a gay? no. so how do we decide how to treat each other?

but you are supposed to love everyone unconditionally. i know for a fact that it says that in your bible. you are supposed to love your neighbor as you love yourself. there were no exceptions to that rule. there was no 'only don't love the person if they are gay' or 'dont love the person if they are a sinner.' our goal as christians is to be able to follow God's example as closely as we can. God loves everyone no matter what. He does not turn anyone away.

or try the golden rule: treat others the way you want to be treated. would you want someone to hate you for being who you are? how lonely would you feel if a society was against you and no one opened their arms to you? you are reminding me of the parable of the good samaritan. you are one of the people that walked past the man who was bleeding. you just dont want to get your hands dirty becasue you wont be perfect and clean like you think God wants you to be. i dont know why i am waisting my time though because no matter what i say you still wont listen.

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

and i think it's stupid to think that god intended the same sex to be together

And I think it's stupid to think that God intended sin to enter the world in the first place. But hey it's His plan don't question it.

Crazy T-Shirt wrote:

well obviously we don't treat all sinners the same now do we? do i treat a murderer the same as i treat a gay?

We know from the bible that god sees all sinners the same. But we also know that all sins have different earthly results. Murder is looked on a the worst sin because it results in the worst earthly event, the death of a sentient being. Lieing about the way clothes look is a sin as well, but the worst thing it can do is maybe give someone a false impression about thier appearance.

So we judge the earthly severity of sins based on the physical harm they cause. Being gay in and of itself hurts no one. Any harm that does come about about indirectly is becuase of other people's bigoted reaction to it. It certainly isn't something to refuse to associate witht someone for, let alone hate them.